Why don't you believe in God?

[Luka Petrovic]

do you think that Religion should take a prominent part in politics? as in using Laws from the Bible to govern a country?

I think that anyone who has a bad thing about anyone's beliefs should re-assess what they are saying and whether or not its justified from a human, logical and rational point of view, or if its line with their religion if they choose. if they really looked hard, they would come to something pretty close to Matsu's general idea.

WHY OF COURSE! We should all follow Leviticus and stone adulterers, people who wear clothes made with two types of thread and of course those who eat shrimp and lie with people of the same-sex. Okay wait before you punch your screen from ignorance. Read the real response below.

No I don't think Laws should be biblically based just for the sake of being biblically based. A government should be secular and make decisions apart from religious preferences.

You don't like gay marriage? Well it shouldn't be a problem because they are not getting married under your religion, and if you really believed in god you would consider this just an earthly copy of a holy contract, so where is the problem? Then again its not detestable if a government party wins on a platform with reforms based on religious teaching I suppose as the majority voted them in. but I'm not even sure about that, I think there are still issues with that.

I usually find governments too liberal or too conservative, no one knows how to find a balance. Politicians and people who get the right to vote (without doing their citizen's responsibility of being informed) are like puppies off leashes... Crazy.

[Black Bird Lockheed]

What makes man think that God exist? Surely, the olden people must have seen aliens during ancient times and they interpret them as god. Do you agree with it Luka?

[Luka Petrovic]

You sound a lot like this guy...

I don't think its not possible, I mean people flying (angels) the only type of flight people knew back then was from birds, so to put this into a picture it would only be natural to draw a human with wings...

[susanne]

do you think that Religion should take a prominent part in politics? as in using Laws from the Bible to govern a country?

I think that anyone who has a bad thing about anyone's beliefs should re-assess what they are saying and whether or not its justified from a human, logical and rational point of view, or if its line with their religion if they choose. if they really looked hard, they would come to something pretty close to Matsu's general idea.

WHY OF COURSE! We should all follow Leviticus and stone adulterers, people who wear clothes made with two types of thread and of course those who eat shrimp and lie with people of the same-sex. Okay wait before you punch your screen from ignorance. Read the real response below.

No I don't think Laws should be biblically based just for the sake of being biblically based. A government should be secular and make decisions apart from religious preferences.

You don't like gay marriage? Well it shouldn't be a problem because they are not getting married under your religion, and if you really believed in god you would consider this just an earthly copy of a holy contract, so where is the problem? Then again its not detestable if a government party wins on a platform with reforms based on religious teaching I suppose as the majority voted them in. but I'm not even sure about that, I think there are still issues with that.

I usually find governments too liberal or too conservative, no one knows how to find a balance. Politicians and people who get the right to vote (without doing their citizen's responsibility of being informed) are like puppies off leashes... Crazy.

it was just a question out of interest Luka, don't get so worked up; I just wanted to see what people would say;

but then again, like uncertainties and random errors, if you have two extremes, won't you end up with an average that's pretty close to what you're supposed to get??

[Luka Petrovic]

Sorry if I give off the impression of being worked up, just having fun! No worries.

[Black Bird Lockheed]

God don't exist, then please don't say next time that animals believe in gods

[Absolutely Positively]

God don't exist, then please don't say next time that animals believe in gods

How can you be sure that animals don't believe in god?

[Nabz]

God don't exist, then please don't say next time that animals believe in gods

In fact i believe that the cocks crooking in the morning are praying or calling "their" God...

As someone said that if they were given evidence about the existence of God, they would start believing? What if the existence of God cannot be proven through "evidence" but something else? After all, the universe is consisted of 4% of Matter only, 96% is just "dark" matter.

Edited May 12, 2013 by shad0wboss

[Black Bird Lockheed]

God don't exist, then please don't say next time that animals believe in gods

How can you be sure that animals don't believe in god?

My logic is simple

1) Animals don't gather at one place ;likes temples, churches etc and pray.

2) They don't follow any set of rules etc.

3) If the god is really helping animals, he should have given them some special powers to escape from humans.

4) They don't believe in superstition. Their ultimate goal is survival.

5) Send a priest or father to any animal they won't give any attention to them.

[Nabz]

God don't exist, then please don't say next time that animals believe in gods

How can you be sure that animals don't believe in god?

My logic is simple

1) Animals don't gather at one place ;likes temples, churches etc and pray.

2) They don't follow any set of rules etc.

3) If the god is really helping animals, he should have given them some special powers to escape from humans.

4) They don't believe in superstition. Their ultimate goal is survival.

5) Send a priest or father to any animal they won't give any attention to them.

The claims you have provided are very weak.

1. Sure they do not build temples but you cannot say that they do not pray. As i said, i believe that the cocks, crooking in the morning, at the time of sunrise, may be "calling" their God or "praising" their God, asking for "mercy" or even "thanking" God for giving them a life. You cannot prove me wrong here.

2. They don't follow any set of rules? Who said that? Do you not see ants travelling in a line and when their way is blocked, the stop there until another ant arrives to help it, or until it cannot sense danger, it stays there. If you haven't noticed such an obvious observation then i don't know why you even stated that boldly. Be specific, what you actually mean by "set of rules". Hopefully you're not referring to the rules used in a parliaments.

3. Why do they need special powers when "God" has "given" humans a sense of humanities and a sense of "judging" right and wrong. You can argue that if animals were to be given some sort of power, then the savage ones would have taken over the humans e.g Dinosaurs.

4. I don't know how superstition comes into play. You cannot base the whole judgement about animals not believing in God only because they're not superstitious. You cannot prove that anyways whether they are superstitious or not, to some extent.

5. Have you any proof that animals do not have "their" monks, or the "wise" ones. I believe they have to have the "wise-ones" at least. Surely you must have noticed/heard that when a honey bee, carrying "wrong" type of honey, into the honeycomb, is killed by the queen bee? I believe that that's the "wise-one" right there.

[Absolutely Positively]

My logic is simple

1) Animals don't gather at one place ;likes temples, churches etc and pray.

2) They don't follow any set of rules etc.

3) If the god is really helping animals, he should have given them some special powers to escape from humans.

4) They don't believe in superstition. Their ultimate goal is survival.

5) Send a priest or father to any animal they won't give any attention to them.

Let's assume that animals do believe in god.

Maybe it's a different god than the Christians believe in and maybe not all animals believe in it.

1. A lot of animals are gregarious. They travel in groups and stay with them.

Maybe wolves who howl or cocks who are crooking are praying to their god. - Who knows?

2. Animals who travel in groups often do have some rules. (i.e. wolves or lions)

3. Have you heard of any human who gained some special powers to escape a natural catastrophe or could walk on water?

4. Ultimately, every humans goal is survival. It's in our instincts. Even if it means that we'd have to kill someone else in order to survive.

5. Let's assume that animals have their own religion and their own god, then a 'priest' or a 'father' would be of their own kind and therefore you couldn't know that.

[Black Bird Lockheed]

You sound a lot like this guy...

I don't think its not possible, I mean people flying (angels) the only type of flight people knew back then was from birds, so to put this into a picture it would only be natural to draw a human with wings...

And who is that guy ? Some historian or critic?

[Luka Petrovic]

He is a pseudo- historian-scientist who had a joke of a TV show called ancient aliens. It basically showed a variety of ancient artifacts both cultural and religious and constructed theories on how these religious experiences and ancient myths were actually proof that ancient humans had contact with aliens.
Now he has achieved cult status on the internet so basically his meme is " insert unusual series of events" and then the bottom caption is always 'aliens"
So yeah he is a bit of a joke...

[Black Bird Lockheed]

He is a pseudo- historian-scientist who had a joke of a TV show called ancient aliens. It basically showed a variety of ancient artifacts both cultural and religious and constructed theories on how these religious experiences and ancient myths were actually proof that ancient humans had contact with aliens.

Now he has achieved cult status on the internet so basically his meme is " insert unusual series of events" and then the bottom caption is always 'aliens"

So yeah he is a bit of a joke...

So you mean to say that I am a bit joker like hi ?

[Ezak]

Discussing if animals belive in god is ridiculous. Furthermore it doesn't add anything to the discussion, if they would belive in a god it would lend no credibility to either side of the argument.

[Nabz]

Discussing if animals belive in god is ridiculous. Furthermore it doesn't add anything to the discussion, if they would belive in a god it would lend no credibility to either side of the argument.

Actually, it tells us "humans" the extent of evidence that we "can" collect. The whole debate about the existence of God, itself is useless just like that discussion.

[Black Bird Lockheed]

Well the one thing I hate truly is that ' God favors rich people'. In India it is considered that if you see the statues of god from big temples like Tirupathi and Shirdi it is considered that you are blessed, Every one says that god is compassionate and treats every one equally which I find completely false. In these above mentioned temples, there are ten thousandths of people are visiting every day. So if you want to see the statue of the god, you have to wait in queue for 4 to 6 hours. And the most annoying part is that after spending 6 hours in standing in a suffocating crowd, when you are coming near the statue ( there are at least 10 security guards near these statue) the people who are waiting so long to have the glimpse of statue they are suddenly pushed away by the guards ( if you get to see the statue for atleast 7 seconds you are considered to be lucky.) These guards don't give even enough time to salute the god, they push young and old, they shout at everyone as if we are slaves and that too under the god's home. ( when I was in grade 5 I had visited Tirupathi, one I don't like standing in the crowd and second I don't simply believe in god. We were just approaching near the statue, suddenly I was pushed away by a guard. Then for me enough was enough. I shouted at the top most of my voice, ' How dare you to push me'? and the guards were too stunned to react and the people behind me got very angry at guards and they started to shout at guard for doing a heartless thing like this .

Similarly, last ganesh ( elephant god) festival, I have read in newspaper that an actor had come in the temple to pay respects ( he did not joined the queue but they were escorted to the idol by the priest and he was worshiping the idol and was taking a photos of the idol for half an hour, not thinking about the crowd behind him. ( normal people could not even stand in front of idol for a few seconds. If god is not partial to anyone why give VIP status to these rich people? Doesn't the common people have the right to worship the god.

So in my opinion it is the hard work and the determination which is the true god of the people.

[Nabz]

Well the one thing I hate truly is that ' God favors rich people'. In India it is considered that if you see the statues of god from big temples like Tirupathi and Shirdi it is considered that you are blessed, Every one says that god is compassionate and treats every one equally which I find completely false. In these above mentioned temples, there are ten thousandths of people are visiting every day. So if you want to see the statue of the god, you have to wait in queue for 4 to 6 hours. And the most annoying part is that after spending 6 hours in standing in a suffocating crowd, when you are coming near the statue ( there are at least 10 security guards near these statue) the people who are waiting so long to have the glimpse of statue they are suddenly pushed away by the guards ( if you get to see the statue for atleast 7 seconds you are considered to be lucky.) These guards don't give even enough time to salute the god, they push young and old, they shout at everyone as if we are slaves and that too under the god's home. ( when I was in grade 5 I had visited Tirupathi, one I don't like standing in the crowd and second I don't simply believe in god. We were just approaching near the statue, suddenly I was pushed away by a guard. Then for me enough was enough. I shouted at the top most of my voice, ' How dare you to push me'? and the guards were too stunned to react and the people behind me got very angry at guards and they started to shout at guard for doing a heartless thing like this .

Similarly, last ganesh ( elephant god) festival, I have read in newspaper that an actor had come in the temple to pay respects ( he did not joined the queue but they were escorted to the idol by the priest and he was worshiping the idol and was taking a photos of the idol for half an hour, not thinking about the crowd behind him. ( normal people could not even stand in front of idol for a few seconds. If god is not partial to anyone why give VIP status to these rich people? Doesn't the common people have the right to worship the god.

So in my opinion it is the hard work and the determination which is the true god of the people.

Then, it is up to you to judge whether that system is flawed or not...

[Ezak]

Discussing if animals belive in god is ridiculous. Furthermore it doesn't add anything to the discussion, if they would belive in a god it would lend no credibility to either side of the argument.

Actually, it tells us "humans" the extent of evidence that we "can" collect. The whole debate about the existence of God, itself is useless just like that discussion.

The whole debate is not useless, but when discussing if god exists or not does not rely on if people belive in it or not. Every metaphysical claim is negotiable, that is, it cannot be dismissed or asserted, but it can however be rendered possible or unlikely. Hell, in some certain cases it can be dismissed, for example if two attributes or definitions are incompatible with each other.

[Nabz]

Discussing if animals belive in god is ridiculous. Furthermore it doesn't add anything to the discussion, if they would belive in a god it would lend no credibility to either side of the argument.

Actually, it tells us "humans" the extent of evidence that we "can" collect. The whole debate about the existence of God, itself is useless just like that discussion.

The whole debate is not useless, but when discussing if god exists or not does not rely on if people belive in it or not. Every metaphysical claim is negotiable, that is, it cannot be dismissed or asserted, but it can however be rendered possible or unlikely. Hell, in some certain cases it can be dismissed, for example if two attributes or definitions are incompatible with each other.

What i meant to say was that "debate" is based on claims and counterclaims from both sides where each is supported by evidence. In this case, you cannot have evidence. Sure you can debate, but if one is looking for an outcome, that won't be achieved, at least, not easily as others.