Guest kenshi64 Posted July 11, 2011 Report Share Posted July 11, 2011 This is the third time i'm typing a reply to this thread so I'm definitely going to sound drab, try to get past that Well I hate the idea of the government shunning what the minority that like porn have to say about this issue, the government was elected to bring us a btter country and in turn happiness not by smiting our views if the conservative and orthodox majority didn't agree with them. I support the belief of people having their freedom and right to do as they please, why should freedom have a terms and conditions apply tag!! Well the parenting thing is that parents are culpable for the child's actions till he's 18 so do what you deem fit till then, but punishing an 18 year old, seriously!? 18 years onward parents should cross their finger and only hope that they brought up a child that does things to their liking. Whew peace..! Reply Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daedalus Posted August 2, 2011 Report Share Posted August 2, 2011 (edited) Randomly came to this thread and I have a few ideas on why porn is indeed a positive force for society...1. Porn gives you a model. Just like you base your actions as a father (when that bridge comes, I mean) on your own dad, and your waiter-role on things you picked up unconsciously while others waited on you, so too do people need to learn sex. It's much more than just sticking it into the hole ("...honey, which one is it? I know it's down here but it's kind of hard to see, do you want try again after shaving?").2. Porn gives you technique. It gives you ideas for positions. It makes going down on a girl sound less weird .. a lot of the time things that are strange or awkward become natural if we get used to them, through exposure, and I for one was happy to know my way around my first time.3. Porn doesn't "legitimize" violence. This is an old debate .. do video games incite aggression or provide an outlet for it? I think both are sustainable viewpoints but in the sexual context, if you don't like your partner in bed (I mean this to you girls), leave him! You can't blame porn for what he likes. I've been watching it a long time and I've never enjoyed anything remotely S & M...4. It's also a misconception that a lot of porn is violent etc. Have you ever looked at the categories at youporn? Everything from lesbians (yay!) to girls masturbating to BBD and BBW (less yay) and bukkake. (which evolved, by the way, following a Japanese law that forbade the showing of penises. Censorship -- look what happens!)5. There's a lot of variety and maybe some of it some girls wouldn't do, but sex is a component of a relationship, and again, people need to be compatible. Number one tip for getting oral sex from a girl: do it to her first! People come from many backgrounds. The argument that porn gives guys unrealistic expectations is not rational. Does Rambo or any number of Schwartzenegger movies determine what girls expect of men? Funny fact: people can actually tell the difference between movies and real life.6. People getting addicted to porn are rare and far between. People get addicted to coffee too actually, quite spectacularly, and even in the most extreme cases (e.g. >10 coffees a day?) these are more common than porn addicts. Plus how many of these porn addicts wouldn't have been addicted to masturbation regardless?7. It's pretty rare for women to get sucked into the porn industry against their well, afaik. Loads of female pornstars have their own websites, interviews, etc. Have you ever seen them talking? They love their job! Prostitution is more of a problem than porn and even then, when it comes under legislation and goes through the proper channels (red light district anyone?) there's no real harm done. Read Superfreakonomics.8. And seriously, porn doesn't 'objectify' sex. Sex is pretty objective to begin with, frankly, it's what happens when evolutionary-ily developed urges with hormones as their proximate causes seize control of your body in a very literal way, as guys who wake up in the morning will realize. (most of us do, you know. wake up in the morning. gloriously.) Lots of guys and girls don't like watching porn; if that's you, you know who your match is. Other people enjoy watching it together as couples, trying things out, keeping things exciting. 9. Which leads me to my final and conclusive point: sex wouldn't be half as fun without porn. (Also, guys would be twice as horny, but that's a side issue...) Edited August 2, 2011 by Daedalus 4 Reply Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
genepeer Posted August 2, 2011 Report Share Posted August 2, 2011 For those against how women are represented in "mainstream porn" (lol), you should check out homemade porn. Reply Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arrowhead Posted August 2, 2011 Report Share Posted August 2, 2011 (edited) I don't necessarily think that pornography itself is bad but I do think that what it has evolved into is having harmful effects on our society. If you look at most porn now, it is very hardcore and it creates an image that women are basically sex toys that enjoy all sexual activity, even that which doesn't really seem to have much pleasure basis for them. Most of the acts performed in porn now are acts that most girlfriends/wives would not do, or would not enjoy doing, in real life. And that's the problem with porn. It's created this society where men (or anyone who watches porn really) gets a skewed perception of what sexual intimacy is like and then try to take that idea of sex into the real world where women end up feeling violated and dehumanized by the requests asked of them. I don't think the harmful effects of pornography outweigh its benefits that many people have already outlined in this thread, Daedalus did it quite well. Sexually deviant behaviour has actually gone down since the liberalisation of porn because the deviants can get their highs sitting in front of the computer. Also, the availability of porn and people performing sex acts is working wonders in slowly but surely, removing people's inhibitions about sex and taboo-feel that is generally apportioned to it. I know my grandparents are supremely uncomfortable talking about sex at all, my parents acknowledge it and are fairly open, my sister and I are talk about it very openly. There has been an increasing liberalisation of sex and views towards it over the past decades and some credit has to be given to the porn industry and its easy availability through the computer.I love how you've taken up the plight of women in such a manner. But I must ask you, what about men? Proletariat'] Not every guy has those rock hard abs, or the extraneously long penis. That is very much a fact that women do not recognise. As much as men find it difficult to come to terms with non-bulbous and bursting-from-the-seams breasts when they first encounter them, women also have to readjust their image of their sexual partners when they're not chiselled like Greek Gods or endowed like porn stars. Did you know that 1 out of 3 consumers of online porn are women? I actually got that Stat from Oprah, so I like to think its reliable. (http://www.oprah.com...orn-and-Erotica) So if we're going to talk about men treating women badly and having unrealistic expectations of them, well the other side is not exactly squeaky clean either. With the acknowledgement of women watching porn for the same reason as men, I would hazard a guess that a large proportion of these women are not looking at the women in the videos, their attention will be focussed on the men. Its not like most women would take the moral high ground when considering a guy as a sexual partner and think, "Nevermind that's he's scorching hot and a male model for a living, I will only sleep with him if he's committed to a long-term relationship." Yeah, women objectify men plenty, the fact stands that men's objectification tends to be centred around physical attributes (generically), but women would go to the same lengths, if only more subtly at times.Of course this would lend to the argument that now we have an even bigger crisis on our hands that women and men both have unrealistic expectations of each other and are objectifying each other, blah blah blah. I had unrealistic expectations of my girlfriend when we first had sex, I freely admit that. Those expectations were dissipated entirely in the face of reality, and its not like reality was a disappointment in any way. People grow out of porn and realise what real sex is like, and trust me, they like it. Porn gives you technique. It gives you ideas for positions. It makes going down on a girl sound less weird .. a lot of the time things that are strange or awkward become natural if we get used to them, through exposure, and I for one was happy to know my way around my first time. ^This is so true and I am so glad you brought it up. My first-time was nerve-racking, I was scared ****less. My girlfriend was even more skittish. Having watched porn in the past, well it gave me some ideas of what to do and how to move forward. Also going down on her just seemed like a natural thing to do because the only exposure I had ever had to "sex" in a practical sense was through porn. I'm quite sure our first time, as forgettable as it was, would have been infinitely worse if we both had absolutely no idea how to move forward. I just don't think that it is right. You were given this body, why would you want to expose it in such a way? And we always talk about how people "take advantage" of others, and I really think that porn is like taking advantage of others indirectly. Goodness, this sounds like the philosophy week in my Properly Law Class. Do people really own their bodies? If people truly owned their bodies, then it is completely their wish to expose it, flaunt it, show it, in any way they want to. Frankly I think the porn industry is respecting what mankind used to be. Come on, its not like the first homo sapiens were walking around in couture fashion (or Adam and Eve skipping in Armani if you prefer the Bible), they were naked, butt-effing-naked. Their lives pretty much revolved around a few important things: work, eat, and sex ( not much different from society today in any case). So baring yourself in that manner is as human as it gets. God wants us to be naked otherwise we would be born in clothes! The concept of covering yourself up for 'decency' sake is something that has been enforced by society. How is porn taking advantage of anyone? If you look at generic porn videos that are available on the internet, these women (or men, because men have feelings too dammit! *sniff*) don't exactly look forced or pressured to perform the various sexual acts. If at all the sex is non-consensual, you watching it is illegal, since such porn videos are illegal. Of course rape scenes and such are simulated, but its again, never real, and the porn actors involved know what they are doing and role-playing. How has anybody been taken advantage of indirectly or directly? I would really like to know. Edited August 2, 2011 by Arrowhead Reply Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Access Denied Posted August 3, 2011 Report Share Posted August 3, 2011 As a fellow girl i do feel the slight pressure put on by myself that i will have to meet up to the expectations of the guys who **** to porn.that said therefore shouldnt guys feel the expectation to have 17inch ******* just saying.i think that the industry is partially innocent because yes they want an income, it is nowdays mostly consensual and they have to be above 18.However I am against porn because:1. People (mostly women) are exploited to get onto these videos, they are either forced into it,, or feel they do not have much of a choice because of their low income, etc. 2. the real thing is so much better....3. Understanding the publics facination at watching people in the media, reality shows and yes porn, i see the demand, but it is degrading to not only the people in the video and yourselves for condoning it, but it undermines the whole concept of sex, which is to MAKE LOVE. sex you should be the consensual act between you and a partner you love, im not cracking down on the people who sleep around, just saying that it tends to be a lot better and more meaningful with the people you love.just saying.Again, dont kill meArrowhead:I know you think its all consensual, but coming from someone who knows someone who was approached by a gang of guys who planned a rape and filming it and "if you dont enjoy it you dead' pretty sure not all of them are. no to porn, yes to love Reply Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CkyBlue Posted August 21, 2011 Report Share Posted August 21, 2011 Whatever helps the global economy in times like this... 1 Reply Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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