Desmodus04 Posted February 18, 2012 Report Share Posted February 18, 2012 I am studying B&M and it is fairly difficult as a subject. Why do universities consider it as "weak". I understand Visual Arts being weak, but why B&M? Reply Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emmi Posted February 18, 2012 Report Share Posted February 18, 2012 Because it's not seen as a traditional, academic subject. Most schools, if you're applying for business or marketing or something like that, would prefer economics and not business and management because economics is academic. Also, many unis see it as kind of pointless.I have to disagree with you on visual arts being weak. Although not super academic, it's hard as hell score high in and requires so much work, both inside and outside of class. 2 Reply Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grassroot Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 From my understanding BM is not that hard as history or econ....maybe because my English isnt that good........History I think will be difficult Reply Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lylo Posted March 8, 2012 Report Share Posted March 8, 2012 I disagree with you for Visual Arts being weak. In my school all the Visual Arts students are really hard-working and all aim to go to art schools.Concerning B&M, I was wondering the same question. At the beginning of last year I was quite upset that most unis won't give credits for taking B&M HL. But then I really liked the subject. 1 Reply Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyboi Posted March 8, 2012 Report Share Posted March 8, 2012 Yes, Economics is considered more "academic" than Business though I consider the two to be quite similar only Business seems more vocational and more specific than economics... if that makes any sense Reply Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
asbb96 Posted March 8, 2012 Report Share Posted March 8, 2012 its not a weak subject just not as strong as the others like history where lots of reading and memorising is neededB&M i think is a lot of practical understanding and something that will actually help you in life Reply Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorious Posted March 8, 2012 Report Share Posted March 8, 2012 As the above poster said, it is not a weak subject at all. In my opinion, it requires a lot more understanding and application of knowledge you find everyday about business especially when it comes to the IA's. But I can assure you it's not an easy subject either, unless you're a business god. Reply Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Award Winning Boss Posted March 8, 2012 Report Share Posted March 8, 2012 I found it funny how you've questioned B&M being 'weak' and then proceed to call another subject weak. Irony if I ever saw it... As others have said, it isn't as academic as some of the more 'traditional' subjects. If you enjoy it and think you're doing well, continue with it. Reply Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Aastha Posted March 26, 2012 Report Share Posted March 26, 2012 STOP categorizing group 6 as weak. for god sake.it's just not everyones cup of tea, remember that. not everyone is born creative.Its highly regarded in some universities as well. and of course if you are applying for creative course in the college they will consider this subject high on others like economics, etc. Reply Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danbo Posted April 8, 2012 Report Share Posted April 8, 2012 I genuinely like the class. However, this girl I know keeps telling me that it's a pointless class and I resent it so much. I guess it's because it's not taught as formally as other subjects are and I've also noticed in a lot of the tests I have it's not simply reading and memorizing. Reasoning, application, and even common sense is usually needed in order to pass the tests. People always dub "hands-on" subjects as less challenging and "weak" even though it's just a different aspect of learning and skill that's taking place. Haters going to hate, homey. Don't worry! Reply Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Economist Posted April 8, 2012 Report Share Posted April 8, 2012 STOP categorizing group 6 as weak. for god sake.it's just not everyones cup of tea, remember that. not everyone is born creative.Its highly regarded in some universities as well.and of course if you are applying for creative course in the college they will consider this subject high on others like economics, etc.WE are not saying that group 6 subjects are weak. The universities are. Ask Oxford, Cambridge, LSE, Imperial, etc.Believe me, if it is highly regarded by some universities then these are not in the UK. I have no information for the US so I cannot express an opinion on that.Anyway, my humble view is that group 6 subjects are the easiest. You cannot compare it to group 1,2 3, 4 and 5 but of course you may disagree.I do accept though that if you are applying for an arts related course then you should certainly take group 6 subjects.By the way, the discussion on group 6 subjects is utterly irrelevant so either take it somewhere else (i.e. create a new thread if it doesn't already exist) or simply do not post about that issue here. Reply Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Aastha Posted April 10, 2012 Report Share Posted April 10, 2012 (edited) The art colleges regard Group 6 over other subjects like economics.I do not know if you have/had been a group 6 student, but if not please do not call it the 'easiest'.(oh wait i just realized you are an economics geek)As I said, not everything is everyones cup of tea.Sure, I'm sorry but I just felt like putting up a point there so i Did. Edited April 10, 2012 by Aastha Reply Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloridaGirl Posted April 26, 2012 Report Share Posted April 26, 2012 its really not a weak subject i honestly think that you can compare it to any other more theoretical subjectit is just memorizing and sometimes you are asked to apply the theory to real life situationseconomics just involves more mathsi dropped because of this from economics HL to B&M SL because it didnt offer B&M HL also because economics didnt have a good teacher and i knew i could do B&M through self-studyand Art.. well its the worst subject to take as a HL because you have sooooooooooo much work to do, i honestly think that universities underestimate this subject. Reply Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danbo Posted April 27, 2012 Report Share Posted April 27, 2012 its really not a weak subject i honestly think that you can compare it to any other more theoretical subjectit is just memorizing and sometimes you are asked to apply the theory to real life situationseconomics just involves more mathsi dropped because of this from economics HL to B&M SL because it didnt offer B&M HL also because economics didnt have a good teacher and i knew i could do B&M through self-studyand Art.. well its the worst subject to take as a HL because you have sooooooooooo much work to do, i honestly think that universities underestimate this subject. I actually think BAM requires more practicality than abstract understanding of theory. Reply Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Casey F Posted May 2, 2012 Report Share Posted May 2, 2012 (edited) I hear these kind of arguments multiple times each week at school between IB kids and it's understandable. Everyone wants to be the one who suffers the most for some reason. First of all, everyone should calm down with those hasty generalizations about "US schools" and "UK schools". By saying that you are referring to more than 4000 schools. Have you called every single one of them to ask about whether if they consider group 6 subjects to be "weak"? Anyway, my humble view is that group 6 subjects are the easiest. You cannot compare it to group 1,2 3, 4 and 5 but of course you may disagree. I personally disagree and wanted to express my perfectly justified reasoning here! I take Business HL and Art HL and I used to take Chemistry HL for 1 year (I dropped it to SL and raised English) and I can assure you that I struggled and suffered with Art as much as I did with Chemistry. Your bias towards ALL the other subject groups is most probably because all the lazy kids in your school took a group 6 subject instead of being a member of "the smart kids club" by taking 2 sciences! I used to get that every day until the day of my exhebition when everyone came to our group show and saw our work and turned the pages of our book. I didn't hear a single person saying "this crap is easy!" yet I heard so many people saying "holy crap, how do you do all this? how long did this take you?". And another reason is that I think you can't compare them at all. You never "study" for Art if you're talented but you have to work your butt off to get a good grade in a group 4 HL. In the other hand, you never spend multiple hours per day, for multiple weeks, just getting yourself dirty, pushing your creativity, researching styles and movements, and just making everything perfect. Art requires constant attention and work but a science can be learned. They are different and should not be compared at all. WE are not saying that group 6 subjects are weak. The universities are. Ask Oxford, Cambridge, LSE, Imperial, etc. I think these schools are mainly law, business, econ schools and they have nothing to do with art, which makes mentioning them here irrelevant. World's best art schools such as Slade (UK), Goldsmiths (UK), Royal Academy (UK), Parsons (Paris), and so many other schools really care for your group 6 subjects. They want to see your work and how much you care and you can only show that by taking a group 6 course. And about Business And Management I have to say that it's considered weak because it is yet to be evaluated by many schools around the world. IB Business and Management had no textbook before Paul Hong's book and the syllabus has undergone huge changes in 2009. AlI the schools I personally applied to, offer me credit for my 7 in Business HL and they are good schools. So I'm guessing that's the case with the schools YOU checked. I feel like it doesn't matter if your university offers transfer credit for Business and Management or not. You don't get to skip courses but instead you get to pass the entry level courses with really good grades and just bring up your GPA since the depth and breath of Business and Management HL is just impressive. So you win anyways Edited May 2, 2012 by Vincent Casey F 3 Reply Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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